Comments on: Abusing Women and Islam http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:37:41 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Richard http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-4556 Richard Mon, 09 Aug 2010 00:55:55 +0000 http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149#comment-4556 The outrage that is missing is often killed in political correctness... People need to face the music and admit that the basic values of the west and of Islam are simply different. It really isn't as complex as every one wants to make it out to be. Egalitarianism is not sewn through Islam, it is not extended to non Muslims by Muslims, (Sharia tax law is a good example of this fact) and Men and women are considered different in almost every aspect. (The idea that men are "More god like" than women in the rhetoric is a good example of this) The west needs to admit that Islam is not founded on western egalitarian, never was, and never will be. (not between men and women, nor between Muslims and non Muslims.) This doesn't make islam "wrong" it just makes it incompatible with western values. (that's why little stories like this are so irritating to you and me.) It's messy, it's confusing, and it's the unfortunate and uncomfortable truth. Richard ignitonexodus.com The outrage that is missing is often killed in political correctness… People need to face the music and admit that the basic values of the west and of Islam are simply different. It really isn’t as complex as every one wants to make it out to be. Egalitarianism is not sewn through Islam, it is not extended to non Muslims by Muslims, (Sharia tax law is a good example of this fact) and Men and women are considered different in almost every aspect. (The idea that men are “More god like” than women in the rhetoric is a good example of this) The west needs to admit that Islam is not founded on western egalitarian, never was, and never will be. (not between men and women, nor between Muslims and non Muslims.) This doesn’t make islam “wrong” it just makes it incompatible with western values. (that’s why little stories like this are so irritating to you and me.) It’s messy, it’s confusing, and it’s the unfortunate and uncomfortable truth.

Richard
ignitonexodus.com

]]> By: Joel http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-4133 Joel Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:09:41 +0000 http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149#comment-4133 They were brought up that way.Such as Christians must belive in god.They were tough that way from birth.What we think is wrong they think it natural Evan the woman of that religion They were brought up that way.Such as Christians must belive in god.They were tough that way from birth.What we think is wrong they think it natural Evan the woman of that religion

]]> By: Nasser http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-3334 Nasser Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:01:15 +0000 http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149#comment-3334 I hope to help this discussion along by proposing a distinct differentiation between old cultural practices and Islamic principles which decry these practices and abolishes them but some so-called clerics continue to uphold some traditions that do oppress women by blind-siding some male crimes or using intentionally vague definitions of Quranic principles to male advantage which are also politically expedient to the government. Islam is a tolerant religion which not only upholds but also, if properly implemented, enforces, human rights and especially women and childrens rights. Criticising Islam because of some peoples individual practices, or even cultural, is ignorant and comparable to criticising Christianity, or any other religion, for the same as no group or country is without criminals, ignorants, bigots, rapists, thieves etc. I hope to help this discussion along by proposing a distinct differentiation between old cultural practices and Islamic principles which decry these practices and abolishes them but some so-called clerics continue to uphold some traditions that do oppress women by blind-siding some male crimes or using intentionally vague definitions of Quranic principles to male advantage which are also politically expedient to the government.
Islam is a tolerant religion which not only upholds but also, if properly implemented, enforces, human rights and especially women and childrens rights. Criticising Islam because of some peoples individual practices, or even cultural, is ignorant and comparable to criticising Christianity, or any other religion, for the same as no group or country is without criminals, ignorants, bigots, rapists, thieves etc.

]]> By: F1Helper http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-3185 F1Helper Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:30:20 +0000 http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149#comment-3185 I fail to see the correlation between Islam and the injustice that you're trying to establish in your article. Those incidence you describe happen under ruling of dictator that turned the life of their people into hell. Now reciting the forms of this injustice that occur to women and then inserting the word Islam in the middle gives the reader the impression that on the other hand men are having great time, and that Islam is a tool used to oppress women, while the truth is everyone is suffering under their dictators ruling whether those dictators wear the beard of a Muslim (Bashir) or the suit of a secular (Mubarak)! I fail to see the correlation between Islam and the injustice that you’re trying to establish in your article. Those incidence you describe happen under ruling of dictator that turned the life of their people into hell. Now reciting the forms of this injustice that occur to women and then inserting the word Islam in the middle gives the reader the impression that on the other hand men are having great time, and that Islam is a tool used to oppress women, while the truth is everyone is suffering under their dictators ruling whether those dictators wear the beard of a Muslim (Bashir) or the suit of a secular (Mubarak)!

]]> By: MensEtManus http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-3147 MensEtManus Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:55:32 +0000 http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149#comment-3147 I came across your website on a fluke and I must say this is the one of the happiest moments I've encountered in quite sometime. Egypt has taken a turn to the worse. I recently returned to Egypt after many years abroad and every day I cry for what they have done to our beautiful country! The tension and anger of men in the streets is unimaginable. Men have a carte blanche to act like animals - Did you know that until recently, there was a law that approved of rape. If a male raped a female, but then offered to marry her, all charges were dropped? I found out about that law because one of the guys at work told me he raped his second wife repeatedly, but after a year she told the police and he "had" to marry her! They are all hypocrites. They pray all day and yet treat women like a toilet to piss in whenever they want! What happened to the era were most doctors were females in Egypt? What happened when you would walk in the streets and feel safe? During my childhood, Egypt was the center of all cultures. It didn't matter your color, religion, or gender. Everyone was happy and treated with respect! I wish in my lifetime more young girls like you stand up and take back what is rightfully yours. Who knows, maybe the next Safia Zaghloul or Hoda Sharaway? All the Best, MetM I came across your website on a fluke and I must say this is the one of the happiest moments I’ve encountered in quite sometime.

Egypt has taken a turn to the worse. I recently returned to Egypt after many years abroad and every day I cry for what they have done to our beautiful country! The tension and anger of men in the streets is unimaginable. Men have a carte blanche to act like animals – Did you know that until recently, there was a law that approved of rape. If a male raped a female, but then offered to marry her, all charges were dropped?
I found out about that law because one of the guys at work told me he raped his second wife repeatedly, but after a year she told the police and he “had” to marry her!

They are all hypocrites. They pray all day and yet treat women like a toilet to piss in whenever they want! What happened to the era were most doctors were females in Egypt? What happened when you would walk in the streets and feel safe?

During my childhood, Egypt was the center of all cultures. It didn’t matter your color, religion, or gender. Everyone was happy and treated with respect!

I wish in my lifetime more young girls like you stand up and take back what is rightfully yours. Who knows, maybe the next Safia Zaghloul or Hoda Sharaway?

All the Best,
MetM

]]> By: Paradox http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-3120 Paradox Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:53:34 +0000 http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149#comment-3120 As a young Mormon reader in the United States, I want to thank you for this post. It has served as a reminder to me that the world is in great need of women who will speak for those who cannot. As a young Mormon reader in the United States, I want to thank you for this post. It has served as a reminder to me that the world is in great need of women who will speak for those who cannot.

]]> By: Delarue http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-3092 Delarue Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:23:15 +0000 http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149#comment-3092 A few of us, here in France, are considering starting a campaign to ask tourists to boycott the Maldives until the local (democratically-elected, it seems) government decides to stop flogging women (and some men). Some Maldivian politicians apparently disagree with these sentences, like MP Eva Abdulla. And tourism, of course, is a key industry in the country. British and US papers, including IHT, with your beautiful article, have denounced these outrageous floggings. I have posted messages on several women's forumsin France and on our own website, and we will try to get French journalists interested in the next few days. Thank you again. A few of us, here in France, are considering starting a campaign to ask tourists to boycott the Maldives until the local (democratically-elected, it seems) government decides to stop flogging women (and some men). Some Maldivian politicians apparently disagree with these sentences, like MP Eva Abdulla. And tourism, of course, is a key industry in the country.
British and US papers, including IHT, with your beautiful article, have denounced these outrageous floggings. I have posted messages on several women’s forumsin France and on our own website, and we will try to get French journalists interested in the next few days.
Thank you again.

]]> By: MJB http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-3090 MJB Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:04:25 +0000 http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149#comment-3090 Hopefully more outrage will ensue thanks to your constant efforts to bring these types of activites to the public eye. I think we all know it goes on, but to what extent and for what ridiculous reasons is something that should get more attention from the mainstream media. Keep fighting the good fight, Mona! Hopefully more outrage will ensue thanks to your constant efforts to bring these types of activites to the public eye. I think we all know it goes on, but to what extent and for what ridiculous reasons is something that should get more attention from the mainstream media.

Keep fighting the good fight, Mona!

]]> By: Ahmed http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-3083 Ahmed Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:41:00 +0000 http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149#comment-3083 I have seen many Muslims turning against you for speaking up. Some have compared you to others that are viewed unfavorably all because u dared to publically question some forms of Islam and because you are a woman. Don't let them get to you. What relationship do Islamists have with women? It appears that women are the bargaining chips? Why? I have seen many Muslims turning against you for speaking up. Some have compared you to others that are viewed unfavorably all because u dared to publically question some forms of Islam and because you are a woman. Don’t let them get to you.

What relationship do Islamists have with women? It appears that women are the bargaining chips? Why?

]]> By: Zahrah http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149&cpage=1#comment-3072 Zahrah Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:54:07 +0000 http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=149#comment-3072 You said it best, why is there are 3:1 ratio? I don't get why these "Islamic" countries punish women when it comes to adultery, yet the men seem to slip through the cracks in the "justice" system. Last I heard, it takes two to tango! I think aspects of Shari'ah cannot be implemented in todays day and age. It is twisted and shaped by Mullahs and Sheikhs into something that ultimately favours men. I doubt men in Sudan are flogged for wearing shorts or showing their navels? This double standard in a lot of islamic societies disgusts me. Islam comdemns rape yet its considered to be adultery on the females part unless she has witnesses in many countries. I wish progress was more swift, and It's frustrating as a Muslim woman in New Zealand, so I imagine it truly must be suffocating to be a Muslim woman in Saudi Arabia. Mona you truly have inspired me! You are voicing exactly what I am thinking. I find it frustrating how we are told often to to question Shari'ah as it's Gods will. I've realised now that It is possible to be a muslim, yet disagree with a lot of Islams archaic practices related to women. You said it best, why is there are 3:1 ratio? I don’t get why these “Islamic” countries punish women when it comes to adultery, yet the men seem to slip through the cracks in the “justice” system. Last I heard, it takes two to tango! I think aspects of Shari’ah cannot be implemented in todays day and age. It is twisted and shaped by Mullahs and Sheikhs into something that ultimately favours men. I doubt men in Sudan are flogged for wearing shorts or showing their navels? This double standard in a lot of islamic societies disgusts me. Islam comdemns rape yet its considered to be adultery on the females part unless she has witnesses in many countries. I wish progress was more swift, and It’s frustrating as a Muslim woman in New Zealand, so I imagine it truly must be suffocating to be a Muslim woman in Saudi Arabia. Mona you truly have inspired me! You are voicing exactly what I am thinking. I find it frustrating how we are told often to to question Shari’ah as it’s Gods will. I’ve realised now that It is possible to be a muslim, yet disagree with a lot of Islams archaic practices related to women.

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